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ASUS Max Pro M1 comes with Android Oreo out of the box. So, does it support Google's Project Treble? If yes, do we still have to depend on ASUS for providing Android security updates and OS upgrades? I thought Project Treble was meant to simplify the process of Android updates (security patches as well as OS upgrades).
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Yes you still have to depend on Asus for security updates and os upgrades as long as you stick with Oem Rom. Treble support only means you can flash a GSI and make it boot,but you need some tweaking and debugging to make it stable for daily use. However it's way less overhead compared to old methods were you would have needed vendor and other device drivers to get the device booting.
On a side note ASUS Max Pro is yet to support Seamless Updates, something that makes os updates and upgrades a lot faster and safer. Enabling this will mean you will have to sacrifice some internal storage (possibly twice as much as used now by system).
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Techzy posted on 2018/8/13 21:49
Yes you still have to depend on Asus for security updates and os upgrades as long as you stick with  ...

I thought Seamless Updates came enabled with Project Treble in Android Oreo but you are right. I just verified that Seamless Updates is not enabled on this phone yet though the phone does support Project Treble.  Regarding space requirement, what you are saying is perhaps true for Android Nougut, not for Oreo. Check this out - https://www.slashgear.com/androi ... b-storage-09494485/

I wonder if ASUS wants to consider enabling Seamless Updates in next update. Doesn't make much of difference for everyday use but still will be good to have!
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Last edited by Techzy on 2018/8/14 22:45
amsi.mum posted on 2018/8/14 19:37
I thought Seamless Updates came enabled with Project Treble in Android Oreo but you are right. I ju ...


You interpreted it wrongly. There is still A/B partion present meaning you have to have two partions of same size and that'll take more storage. They're only talking about streaming updates which means it skips the traditional way of updation where the zip file is downloaded to partion A  which is then extracted to partion B. Here the updates are downloaded right into the B partion and only a metadata file is stored in partion A. Hope this clears everything.

Refer official explanation

https://source.android.com/devices/tech/ota/ab/
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Techzy posted on 2018/8/14 22:13
You interpreted it wrongly. There is still A/B partion present meaning you have to have two partio ...

Making things more clear:
https://www.e-consystems.com/blo ... ta-firmware-update/
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-o-ota-update-streaming/

Basically, storage dependency on active partition has reduced for streaming updates but storage requirement for A/B partitions remains nevertheless for Seamless Updates to happen.
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amsi.mum posted on 2018/8/15 15:20
Making things more clear:
https://www.e-consystems.com/blog/system-on-module-SOM/android-non-a-b-v ...

Yes. Hope it cleared all your doubts.
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amsi.mum IND Level 2 | All posts
As this is a near-stock Android device and supports Project Treble, I think it only makes sense to have Seamless Updates enabled on this device (even if it means sacrificing some internal storage space) so all benefits can be realized.
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Redmi Note 5 pro and some other devices are yet to implement this. Mostly it's because people always complain about not getting enough free space,some even claim Asus cheated them. For me seamless update is not as important as treble support. I can live with long update process and reboot, moreover I can fix the device without much effort even if it gets bricked.
I'm more inclined to having more memory,these games and apps take lots of memory. Even the music streaming apps take ridiculous amount of space.
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Hi Amsi.mum,

Yes, ASUS Max Pro M1 does support Google's Project Treble.

However, ASUS will provide Android security updates and OS upgrades regularly.

Thank You for your post.
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